Lyoness SCAM. STAY AWAY.

I am a gold member of lyoness. Lyoness is a true scam. I can responsibly tell you this. STAY AWAY FROM LYONESS. Do not ever buy gold membership. I am going to tell you why.

First of all, I just spoke with their representative on the phone. They officially confirmed to me that all the discounts that you get in a form of cash back to your account are only redeemable towards purchases through Lyoness. You will never get any real money from them. I called to find out how to withdraw the accumulations in my cash account. They said - only by purchasing vouchers. Period. This means the stories of people making large amounts of money monthly are simple lies. Anyone who states otherwise is either a dreamer or is paid by Lyoness to say so.

Secondly, if you've seen the Lyoness videos, you've noticed that there is a complicated system of units that is very hard to grasp. Why do you think these units were created? Why not just stick with good old numbers - you spend this much, you get this much in cash, this much in bonus, this much in affiliated bonus, whatever else they may offer, everything can be expressed in dollars. No! Lyoness created units for you not to think of numbers. Why? Because if you start thinking numbers, you'll be running away from Lyoness as fast as you can.

Let's translate units into dollars.

When you, being a Lyoness member, make a purchase from a Lyoness merchant, you receive a small discount (0.5% for buying from Coles Express, for example), and a larger loyalty bonus. Of course, knowing that Lyoness charges up to 10% from the merchants, no one would go for 0.5%, so they created a loyalty bonus system. tOn top of 0.5% cash (just discovered that this cash is only redeemable towards purchases from Lyoness merchants), you receive 2-3-5% of loyalty bonus that eventually forms your UNITS. Every time you loyalty bonus accumulates to $75, you get one unit of Accounting Category I (ACI). How much do you have to spend to get an ACI? If you only buy expensive things from merchants Lyoness scammed for a higher discount, you might be able to get a unit by spending $1,500.00. But if you do what Lyoness advertises – “spend money on your everyday needs, just like you always do”, the realistic number will be closer to $2,500.00 You don’t get anything by forming a unit. The first bonus of $675 Lyoness pays you is when that unit “matures”. In order to mature one unit of the Accounting Category I (ACI) and receive $675, your entire lifeline (you, people you subscribed, people they subscribed) has to make purchases for $183,750.00, provided that the your lifeline only loses 5% of the units because of the imbalances. Yes, remember that in order to mature a unit, you have to deliver 70 units under it. 35 above the centreline and 35 below. So, if you have 335 units above the line and only 34 below, your initial unit will not mature until you get one more unit below the centreline. Smart, isn’t it.

Let’s take this number for further calculations. Since you are not allowed to market Lyoness to people you don’t know, and you are only limited to your friends and acquaintances, you can organise them yourself to make large purchases collectively and realise much higher discounts without being a Lyoness member. A 10% discount on total purchases of $183,750.00, which is relatively easy to negotiate these days, is $18,375.00, not $675 generously promised to you by Lyoness.

To mature a unit of the Accounting Category II (ACII), you have to accumulate 60 units of the ACI, so multiply $183,750.00 by 60. You underline will have to spend a total of $11,025,000, to mature one ACII. All for you to receive the most generous bonus of $1,275.00 from Lyoness. When is that going to happen?

To mature an ACIII and proudly receive $2,400.00 from Lyoness. Remember, this is not real money. Only spendable within Lyoness merchant network. So, to mature an ACIII, you lifeline will have to accumulate 50 ACIIs, meaning to spend $11,025,000.00 multiplied by 50 for a total of $551,250,000.00.

To mature an ACIV, your lifeline has to accumulate 25 ACIIIs, so multiply $551,250,000.00 by 25. You lifeline will have to spend $13,781,250,000.00, and you will receive $7,200.00 from Lyoness.

Finally, to mature an ACV and receive $24,000.00 from Lyoness... Wasn't that you goal? Are you ready?... Completely ready? Sitting down, listening to the drum beat, waiting for the number?.........

To mature one ACV, your lifeline will have to accumulate 25 ACIVs, meaning they will have to spend $13,781,250.000.00 multiplied by 25 for a total of $344,531,250,000. Three Hundred Forty Four BILLION, Five Hundred and Thirty One Million, Two Hundred and Fifty thousand dollars spent by your lifeline to receive a generous bonus of $24,000. So, when do you think all your relatives and friends that are *** enough to subscribe for Lyoness membership will spend that much money if they start today?

This is 0.00000007% of a discount. Imagine yourself walking to a local retailer and asking for a 0.00000007% discount on your purchase. (Especially if the purchase is for one third of a trillion dollars) There is no way for you to get that discount without Lyoness, of course.

As internet marketers say, BUT WAIT! THERE IS MORE!

So, if Lyoness negotiates a discount of 10% with the merchants, and you only get 0.00000007%, where does the difference go? Oh, yes, you get a regular discount of about 2% that is given to you in a form of cashback and is, by the way, taxable. We are still missing about 8%. Let’s not count 0.00000007% anymore. You’ve got to be Lyoness to call it money. So, on a $344 billion dollar purchase, Lyoness pockets about 8%, which is somewhere in the vicinity of $30 billion dollars. Not that it’s going to happen. All I’m trying to illustrate is that Lyoness gets you to run around subscribing people for 0,00000007% savings (not real money) and they get 8%. Isn’t it a little bit too fat? And if you have so much free time, wouldn’t you be better off just visiting your local stationary wholesaler, buying $10,000 worth of stationary from him at a 20% discount and selling it to the same relatives and friends? You’d make a solid $2000 profit over a school season, and your relatives and friends wouldn’t call you a scammer.

Another thing Lyoness doesn't tell you is that to use their system, you, all the people you refer and all the people they refer will have to permanently change their shopping habits. Have you seen many people happily changing their good lifelong habits over a 2% discount? Well, these are the people you will have to find and subscribe to earn your pennies from Lyoness. Now, if you want to make a little more pennies from Lyoness, these people will have not only change their shopping habits, they will have to be actively running around finding others alike and subscribing them to Lyoness. What a job! What a pay!

Do you buy from Woolworth? Well, forget it. With Lyoness you only earn your bonuses if you purchase from Coles. You probably know, that in most cases you have to purchase vouchers and gift cards of the merchants you want to use before you can get any benefit from Lyoness. That means, you buy a $300 gift card from Coles, wait for a week or two for it to arrive in the mail, and then, every time you walk by your favourite produce shop that's not a part of Lyoness, you have a dilemma. You can go and buy low priced quality produce from your favourite shop or you can buy Coles *** for about 50% more, but you'll get a 2.5% discount. And you will go and buy from Coles because you've already spent this money. That's right. You've already bought the gift card. Whether you use it or not, it is your problem now. Lyoness has already made their money and Coles too.

One of the few freedoms we have left in the modern society is the freedom to buy what you want and to spend your hard earned money the way you want. You don’t vote for the Prime Minister of this country. You don’t vote on carbon tax, bank deposit levy or cigarette tax. You don’t have those freedoms. Yet you still have a freedom to vote for your favourite shop by going there and spending your money. Lyoness takes this freedom away from you. From the moment you join Lyoness, you'll be buying from merchants that pay Lyoness to be in the system. You will have one freedom less. Form many people this is their last freedom.

This all means that you will be running with your tongue on your shoulder subscribing other people (paying $1.5 for each subscription from your pocket, by the way), convincing your friends and relatives to join Lyoness in a hope to get some retirement passive income for yourself, and at the end your entire lifeline, including yourself, will realise that the system is a pure scam. It takes your freedom away; it pays pennies for major inconveniences; and a little bit more pennies for hard work of selling memberships.

Stay away from Lyoness. Spread the world about this scam.

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Anonymous

Jul 31 #1014213

Hello all, I've been researching Lyoness for the past couple weeks. I'm hoping someone who is a little more familiar with the company can help me out.
My mom was a business member with Lyoness (joined in 2012 - never understood the concept or what she was getting herself into). Some smooth talker sold her on it (they don't speak or read English so they were easy targets).
She agreed to the $3000 downpayment that was required in order to be a business member and was told she could cancel her membership and get her money back at anytime. I guess my idea of a downpayment and theirs are way off. Sounded fishy to me back then but she was so excited about it we left her alone.
My mom passed away a few weeks ago. We spoke to a couple of Lyoness people and here are our options:
1. sell the account to someone else
2. covert to marketer 2. get a discount voucher (10% on retailers) I'm so not interested in having anything to do with this "company". The person I spoke with was rude and had zero empathy. My dad feels duped. So on top of suffering from a broken heart, he feels he may never see the $3000 we could use toward some huge expenses right now. Is there anything we can do?

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Anonymous

Jul 29 #1013510

Here's what I think of Lyoness... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV01xNflmOk

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Anonymous

Jul 15 #1007882

I'm not part of Lyoness and never will... I look at all these comments and opinions and I guess it can be good after a year or 2 of hard work, and some people aren't happy that it's not making them a profit straigth away.
Well my mom ( yes save the jokes... ) spends a small 1 hour a day on finding coupons and discounts all over the store in the area and all over the internet and she manages to save 30 - 100% ... from what I'm seeing it's a whole lot better, you might not get any cash back, but isn't ''cash-not-used'' even better, were not talking about a return for a purchase, but money you never lost in the first place and that you can invest and make profit out of it in the long run.
This is sayd with the less possible hate... but *** people! Get your *** straight... BOOHOO life is hard, stop expecting it to be easy and get a money income from which you have nothing to do. I'm not saying you guys are expecting that, but let's be honest, you all joined Lyoness expecting to make easy money out of it. Life is short, use your time wisely.. go outside, have fun with the people you love, and if money is really all your thinking about get a job ( or a second one ) even at minimum salary, from what I understand it is more money then you'l get from Lyoness, atleast at the begining, but investing that extra cash early in life can end up in being way biger then you will ever get from Lyoness.
I'm not here to post about hate or to say Lyoness is a scam. If you're into
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Anonymous

Jul 10 #1005912

You have no idea!! Look into Lyoness properly - as of 2015, there are no costs to register and it does pay!!!

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Anonymous

Jul 09 #1005271

Lyoness' days in the US appear numbered. Most top ranking people have left after the disastrous switch to Lyconet. New York office closing / closed. New "recruits" are reportedly way down, shopping abysmal (who wants to buy an item for $300 that you can get on Amazon for $30). Send your complaint to Lyoness' compliance office. Get your displeasure on record. The more voices the more action. The more interest a law firm might have in representing a class action. Enough of us reveal the true facts of Lyoness and openly join together there might be a lawsuit possible. Don't sit on your laurels. Also, there is a non-Lyoness affiliated website that is helping people document their issues with Lyoness to simply get their complaint on the record (they only write letters detailing your specific facts - they don't help you communicate with Lyoness) called www.letlyonessknow.com. You can write Lyoness a letter yourself as well, but for those of you who aren't comfortable writing a letter on your own, this might be good for you. Good Luck to all of you. If you are making money with Lyoness, congratulations? (presumably off the number of other people you bring into the pyramid). If you have lost money, especially on campaigns, hopefully you get some relief. Good night.

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Anonymous

Jul 08 #1004830

For all of those members in this business who claim to have made money - present the proof please ? show us copies of the payments that the company has made in to your bank balance ???
In every MLM company, some people will make cash. They are the 'token' models to prove to everyone else that this business is viable and works. It convinces the others to join and part with their cash.
It basic sense.... if a multimillionaire isnt doing it why are you ????
Too many suckers out there who want to make it big with out working for it lol
good luck suckers !

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Filip Hianik

Jul 03 #1003128

Hi, Lyoness is definitely NOT a scam whatever you say. I am with the company with more than 2 years now and have in my network over 400 people. No one of them will ever say it is a scam. Maybe you misunderstood the concept or someone has not explained it to you well. That happened a lot in the past. However like in every company it is always about people. If you are seriously interested how things work you can contact me any time at filip.hianik@gmail.com

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Anonymous

Jul 01 #1001985

Lyoness case - Austrian Association for Consumer Information (VKI) and litigation funders Advofin join a common cause - See more at: http://www.obtainer-online.com/news/en/lyoness-case--austrian-association-for-consumer-information-vki-and-litigation-funders-advofin-join-a-common-cause.html#sthash.4uTtbpPa.dpuf

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Anonymous

Jun 30 #1001515

Yep, I agree, it is a total SCAM. People please PLEASE be smart and stay away! Fairy tales like Lyoness never come true

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XMember

Jun 07 #992303

I have been a premium member for almost 3 years and worked very hard during that time in an attempt to create a long term residual income... Yes I got my money back and some... However most people don't, in fact I personally know of hundreds of people who have lost out big time. Lyoness is a SCAM with out doubt and the way they support their members is shocking. All those here defending Lyoness here are either newbies or have their head buried in the sand. Watch out Lyoness.... Your days are coming to an end!

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Curious

Jul 06 #1004164

How do I get my money back that I put in?

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Anonymous

May 29 #989307

Yup it's a scam!

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Rod S

May 28 #988791 East Maitland, New South Wales

What a load of crock You obviously now nothing about Lyoness I have been paid great cash bonuses and commissions and I would be happy to show my results to any genuine person who needs the truth
I notice as usual when dishonest reviews are presented like this load of pigs dribble there is no signature to qualify these dishonest claims about a great company which is now 12 years old and operating in 46 countries worldwide with over 5 million members
Over 1000 employees and real offices in most countries like 9 Castlereigh Street Sydney on the 30 th floor
Shame on you whoever you are for trying to discredit this amazing business
Rod S

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Anonymous

May 29 #989471

Okay Rod S, please do, present your evidence showing your great cash bonuses you have received, I would love to see them.

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Justmeme

Jun 30 #1001514

Rod, honestly, do you believe in what you say? I had some dealings with Lyoness and I am glad that I could get out of this Scam. It is just a scam, pyramid, which is illegal in most countries and people are winning in courts. How they win if that is totally legal and clean???

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tjay

Apr 16 #972710 Spokane, Washington

who wrote this has no clue how it works. I have always got my cash back when it hits 10 dollars or more. I am building business and with in 2 years will be set pretty much for life. The problem that they are trying to explain is we need more small merchants in the system and you will really see how it works. Then you can swipe your card in a lot of places. So build a business and sign up new businesses. This thing when done right is the coolest thing ever.

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JoLiz

Apr 05 #968234 Saint Petersburg, Saint Petersburg

So far from the truth unbelievable
Mostly lies
Has no clue how the system works
I receive my cash back all the time in cash in my bank account

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Justmeme

Jun 30 #1001510

Liar, they dont pay cash!!! You have to redeem through vouchers of their merchants so called.

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Internal Assessor

Apr 02 #967241 New York, New York

I have heard that Lyoness may be refunding Booking Campaigns with people who did not convert to Lyconet if they agree to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement so that others don't find out. The Scam continues as Lyoness is shutting up people to keep them from learning the truth. I suggest everyone ask up to the top of their chain and find out who is getting refunded.

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Anonymous

Mar 27 #964266 Santa Ana, California

The scam is now in Huntington beach ca,USA,using panera bread as a meeting place,these people have no clue what's happening,they talk units that make no sense,just a lot of old men and ladies,looks they prey on the old desperate retirees.

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